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March 04, 2008

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Doug

Would you say that the trinity is participatory with respect to us? That is, we we invited into this community? And if so, how, and to what effect?

Feel free to ignore the question, but it came to mind (among others) and I thought it might provide future blog-fodder :)

Aric Clark

Nice. Nothing I can see in it that jumps out to me as problematic for a CPM. You cover your bases well. Is there anything in here you are particularly sensitive about?

Derrick Weston

I'm pretty shocked to see you guys are still reading this thing. Fascinating.

Doug: Absolutely. We are invited into the community that is the Trinity. What does our involvement look like? I'd say to the extent that we participate in the life-giving, community-building work of the Triune God, we are active participants, the fourth part of the Trinity, if you will.

Aric: I'm not particularly sensitive on anything here. I've already been told that I will be grilled on the fact that I didn't hammer on substitutionary atonement, but even that isn't a major deal here.

Maybe what I'm most sensitive about is the necessity of such a statement in the first case. Does this tell you anything about me? Does it communicate my readiness or lack thereof to serve as a minister of word and sacrament? I would hope that it says something about who I am and that it is not simply Presby-Reformed-Orthodox-boilerplate.

Brian

Hi Derek-

These are a few questions you might get from CPM:

1) Is Trinitarian language simply a metaphor for God or actual names?
2) Explain your understanding of modalism in light of your views on the distinct roles of the different members of the Trinity.
3) Would you say more about how you understand the work of Christ as an atonement?
4) Please tell us about your understanding of the nature of the church.

Those are four questions that you might get.

Kyle

so would this be like your yolk that I would have to bear if I were your disciple?

Derrick Weston

Brian: that is helpful. My care team said pretty much the same thing. I really struggle with the Trinity stuff, though I know enough to stay away from anything that sounds like modalism. I think I've been trying to find ways to express that the persons of the Trinity do the same work (giving life, creating community) but at different times and different ways. I'm working on that.

I also have to express that while I don't reject the notion of substitutionary atonement, I don't use it as my primary metaphor for the atonement. I tend to lean more towards the moral influence model.

Kyle: the yolk you would have to bear if you were my disciple is that you are an idiot for following me.

Kyle

haha. that yolk sounds like it sucks.

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